[marriard]

darcyrobinson, on 26 June 2010 - 10:31 AM, said:

Will AJ even make the Australia team with Loughton playing well and Jawai/Andersen/Maric locks?

Maybe is the best answer to that. Boomers team is going to be all about who is available, and who is in the best shape and I haven't heard anything about that. If Jawai is not in shape he could very easily miss out especially with Luke Nevill also in the mix. It is great we have some awesome size available.

Also Ogilivy brings the ability to back up both the C and PF spot which Jawai and Loughton probably don't.

Right now (with Bogut out), I see the best lineup (assuming available)we can put out there as:

Maric
Andersen
Neilsen
Newley
Mills
---------
Ingles
Dellavedova
Worthington
Barlow

All other spots are really up for grabs.
You probably only take 2 of Loughton/Jawai/Nevill/Ogilivy
You would also like an athletic scoring SF like a Liam Rush and another backup guard.

Man, I will say it is VERY nice to be writing about really, really good players who could easily miss out. It hasn't been like that for the Boomers for some time.

There are going to be a number of teams without their star NBA players at this world champs - we roll out a full strength team minus Bogut and we should have extremely high expectations.

[darcyrobinson]

Who's gonna make Turkey??? ...my thoughts

Starters ?
Patrick MILLS/ 183cm / 21 / Guard / Portland Trail Blazers (US)
Brad NEWLEY/ 198cm / 25 / Guard / Lietuvos Rytas (Lithuania)
Joe INGLES/ 203cm / 22 / Forward / CB Granada (Spain)
Aleks MARIC / Centre/Forward / in a fight somewhere (Europe)
David ANDERSEN / Centre/Forward /Houston Rockets (US)

Bench
Alex LOUGHTON/ 205cm / 27 / Forward / Cairns Taipans
Adam GIBSON / 188cm / 23 / Guard / Gold Coast Blaze
Luke NEVILL/ 216cm / 24 / Centre / Melbourne Tigers
Matthew NIELSEN / Forward / Melbourne Tigers
Nathan JAWAI / 204cm / 23 / Centre/Forward / Minnesota Timberwolves (US)
C.J BRUTON / Guard / New Zealand?
Mark WORTHINGTON / Forward /

Just Missed Cut
AJ Ogilvy / Centre/Forward / Vanderbilt University (US)
Steven MARKOVIC/ 190cm / 25 / Guard / KK Crvena Zvezda Beograd (Serbia)
David BARLOW / Guard / ?

Missed Cut
Ben ALLEN / 211cm / 23 / Centre / Townsville Crocodiles
Jason CADEE / 185cm / 19 / Guard / Gold Coast Blaze
Hugh GREENWOOD/ 187cm / 18 / Guard / AIS
Damian MARTIN/ 188cm / 25 / Guard / Perth Wildcats
Matthew DELLAVEDOVA / 190cm / 19 / Guard / St Mary's University (US)
Stephen WEIGH / 198cm / 21 / Guard / Perth Wildcats
Ater MAJOK / 208cm / 22 / Forward / University of Connecticut (US)
Aron BAYNES / 207cm / 23 / Centre / Lietuvos Rytas (Lithuania)
Anatoly BOSE / 200cm / 21 / Guard / Nicholls State University (US)
Chris GOULDING / 191cm / 21 / Guard / Gold Coast Blaze
Anthony PETRIE / 203cm / 27 / Forward / Gold Coast Blaze

Everyone else wishes they were on the team
Andrew BOGUT / Milwaukee Bucks (US)

[darcyrobinson]

marriard, on 26 June 2010 - 10:58 AM, said:

Maybe is the best answer to that. Boomers team is going to be all about who is available, and who is in the best shape and I haven't heard anything about that. If Jawai is not in shape he could very easily miss out especially with Luke Nevill also in the mix. It is great we have some awesome size available.

Also Ogilivy brings the ability to back up both the C and PF spot which Jawai and Loughton probably don't.

Right now (with Bogut out), I see the best lineup (assuming available)we can put out there as:

Maric
Andersen
Neilsen
Newley
Mills
---------
Ingles
Dellavedova
Worthington
Barlow

All other spots are really up for grabs.
You probably only take 2 of Loughton/Jawai/Nevill/Ogilivy
You would also like an athletic scoring SF like a Liam Rush and another backup guard.

Man, I will say it is VERY nice to be writing about really, really good players who could easily miss out. It hasn't been like that for the Boomers for some time.

There are going to be a number of teams without their star NBA players at this world champs - we roll out a full strength team minus Bogut and we should have extremely high expectations.

Della didn't make the Argentina squad and i think is too raw for turkey (along with greenwood and cadee). We're guard shallow but with a rotation of Mills/Bruton/Ingles/Newley and maybe Barlow or Gibsonwe should hold our own OK... We should max out on as many bigs as we can

[marriard]

Not bad...

I'd take Dellavedova over Gibson
We don't need Bruton any more - time for him to retire from the Boomers.
Barlow probably makes it - we need the athletic SF position filled
It is going to be close between Jawai, Loughton, Nevill and Ogilvy. Even Baynes may get a look in here. Probably only two of these 5 make it.

Some really, really tough calls which is great for Australian basketball.

And I don't care if that is the Argentinian second team - we didn't exactly put out our best team either and that was a total domination.

[darcyrobinson]

marriard, on 26 June 2010 - 11:15 AM, said:

Not bad...

I'd take Dellavedova over Gibson
We don't need Bruton any more - time for him to retire from the Boomers.
Barlow probably makes it - we need the athletic SF position filled
It is going to be close between Jawai, Loughton, Nevill and Ogilvy. Even Baynes may get a look in here. Probably only two of these 5 make it.

Some really, really tough calls which is great for Australian basketball.

And I don't care if that is the Argentinian second team - we didn't exactly put out our best team either and that was a total domination.

- Della turns it over too much IMO, Gibbo is a more solid defender, and more experienced. If Della was gonna make the team, he'd be playing against Argentina. Gibbo might not make it, he plays somewhat similar to Bruton i reckon...
- Bruton has experience against international opposition so I expect he's gonna make the team.
- Barlow has great height for a guard so will be good against tall Euro guards.
- Again, Baynes would only be considered if he played against Argentina i reckon. If he's not there.... he's cut
- Jawai's shoulder looks shaky last night - it'd be good for Australia (and his career) if he didn't opt out injured

[Sydneyguy]

I agree Bruton is needed for this campaign, his experience and 3 point shooting is still important to this team.

And yes australia is now guard thin,compared to the past where size was a problem, thats no longer the case

Alex Loughton should of played himself into a spot on the Boomers
Jawai i know has something wrong with his shoulder but he didnt appear that active
Damien Martin looked great, his defense is excellent and now that he can shoot the ball, should be considered a spot
Luke Nevil used his size to great advantage when given the opportunity
I wish Australia had someone with height who could play both guard positions!!

[Sydneyguy]

for he starters will be:

Cj Burton
Brad newley
David Barlow
Matt Nielsen
David Anderson


reserves

Pat Mills
Joe Ingles
Mark Worthington
Nathan JAwai
Alex Loughton
Damien Martin (i wish anyway but i think they'll pick Adam gibson over him!!)
Alec Maric (he knows how to fight!!)

[darcyrobinson]

Sydneyguy, on 26 June 2010 - 11:42 AM, said:

for he starters will be:

Cj Burton
Brad newley
David Barlow
Matt Nielsen
David Anderson

there is no inside presence at all in this starting 5. Andersen plays on the perimeter (generally) and is not much of a rebounder

[marriard]

darcyrobinson, on 26 June 2010 - 12:03 PM, said:

Sydneyguy, on 26 June 2010 - 11:42 AM, said:

for he starters will be:

Cj Burton
Brad newley
David Barlow
Matt Nielsen
David Anderson

there is no inside presence at all in this starting 5. Andersen plays on the perimeter (generally) and is not much of a rebounder

Absolutely right - Maric has to start at center and Mills has to start at PG. So Mills, Newley, Neilsen, Andersen and Maric.

That gives you Ingles & Bruton as first guard subs, Worthington/Barlow as SF subs, and two of jawai/Loughton/Nevill/Ogilvy/Baynes as PF/C subs. That reads like one of the best rotations we have put out in an international competition for quite some time (even without Bogut)

If Dellavedova is really going to miss out then you take Bruton and Barlow and leave Gibson home.

[Sydneyguy]

I think seniority will rule thus my picks as starters

[darcyrobinson]

Sydneyguy, on 26 June 2010 - 04:37 PM, said:

I think seniority will rule thus my picks as starters

Dunno man. I think Brett Brown will play to win. That guy's a good coach IMO. Seems to be quite the strategist.

[marriard]

darcyrobinson, on 26 June 2010 - 06:43 PM, said:

Sydneyguy, on 26 June 2010 - 04:37 PM, said:

I think seniority will rule thus my picks as starters

Dunno man. I think Brett Brown will play to win. That guy's a good coach IMO. Seems to be quite the strategist.

I agree. One of the advantage of having a non-Australian/NBL coach who hasn't been involved domestically in some time will be that he is more likely to take the best team and doesn't feel the need to take any reputation players or pick players from his local team (otherwise known as the Goorj effect)

Maric is a big bruising center and is wanted by many NBA teams, though it sounds like he may spend another season in Serbia. Mills plays in the NBA and is developing some fantastic skill sets even if he didn't get any minutes last year. These two players need to start. Newley over Ingles simply because Newley shoots the ball better and handles the ball slightly better. If used properly Andersen is a tough matchup and a year in the NBA has toughened him up big time. Neilsen is just a bulldog - though depending on matchups and form you could see Barlow or Worthington start.

I also like that despite beating Argentina by a great margin, he clearly identified the areas he was not happy with and had a clear idea of exactly what he wanted worked on.

[nomisg]

PG: Patty Mills
SG: Brad Newley
SF: ?
PF: David Andersen
C : Aleks Maric


Aleks Maric is a walk up start and not sure why there is even discussion on him starting, he was amongst the best big men in Europe this year and it real work horse.

SF and SG positions will fluctuate between Ingles, Barlow, Newley, Worthington and even Shawn Redhage.

Other position are truly up for grabs and will depend on how they compliment the rest of the squad.

I think Nathan Jawai might be struggling to make this squad, we have great depth at the PF and C positions. Jawai appears to have many holes in his game, especially defensively and hence can be liability when he is on the court. Maybe I'm being harsh and maybe he just needs some more time to get back up to speed but at this stage not sure how you pick him ahead of Nevill, Nielsen, AJ Ogilvy at this stage.

[des]

Yeah for me its similar to what has already been said - I would consider Markovic or Martin ahead of Gibson as back up guards. Both score, experienced, strong and good defenders. Gibson great defender but he seems to struggle with everything else at international level. Perhaps I need to give Gibson more credit, I never watch any NBL where I am sure he kills it. Agree CJ doesn't need to be there anymore.

Barlow is a must for defending big 2/3 men. Nevill and Jawai for mine as the big 2 back ups. Shame we not seeing Baynes or AJ, as Jawai is still lumbering around, although having some good moments. Loughton wouldn't keep up with the better sides at worlds for mine. He's just not athletic or skilled enough to play with your tall fast PFs and not bigger enough to bump away with your big power PFs. Worthington is a poor mans Nielsen, but he gets in, always finds a way into every game.

Maric will be a great fit to replace Bogut at the 5 spot and compliments Andersons style really well. Can't wait to see how it pans out.

Mills
Newley
Nielsen/ Barlow
Anderson
Maric


Ingles
Jawai
Nevill
Worthington
Markovic/ Martin
?

[darcyrobinson]

des, on 27 June 2010 - 07:28 PM, said:

I would consider Markovic or Martin ahead of Gibson as back up guards. Both score, experienced, strong and good defenders. Gibson great defender but he seems to struggle with everything else at international level. Perhaps I need to give Gibson more credit, I never watch any NBL where I am sure he kills it.

I just don't think Markovic or Martin or Gibson have what it takes at International level on this team so i think we should just pick the best defender - i think Gibbo is that, although Martin is doing OK against the Argentina juniors

des, on 27 June 2010 - 07:28 PM, said:

Agree CJ doesn't need to be there anymore.

Dunno about this. Still think we lack experience and need to have him on board. Then again, would be nice to see 2 of the above 3 play instead, since it's clear we're talking the bench with Newley and Mills sewing up the starters jobs... Actually i just noticed Markovic plays in Serbia - and they are in our pool so this would make some good sense i reckon...

des, on 27 June 2010 - 07:28 PM, said:

Shame we not seeing Baynes or AJ, ... Loughton wouldn't keep up with the better sides at worlds for mine. He's just not athletic or skilled enough to play with your tall fast PFs and not bigger enough to bump away with your big power PFs.

Baynes and AJ is a shame. Same here - I'd love to be seeing what they could do. Although i expect if Baynes was in training camp and is now not playing there is a good reason for that (out of shape?). I thought Loughton's hustle was good against the youngsters.

des, on 27 June 2010 - 07:28 PM, said:

Worthington is a poor mans Nielsen, but he gets in, always finds a way into every game.

Agreed. I don't think he can miss out.

My revised squad, by depth

Starters ?
Patrick MILLS/ 183cm / 21 / Guard / Portland Trail Blazers (US)
Brad NEWLEY/ 198cm / 25 / Guard / Lietuvos Rytas (Lithuania)
Matthew NIELSEN / Forward / Melbourne Tigers
Aleks MARIC / Centre/Forward / in a fight somewhere (Europe)
David ANDERSEN / Centre/Forward /Houston Rockets (US)

Bench
Joe INGLES/ 203cm / 22 / Forward / CB Granada (Spain)
David BARLOW / Guard / ?
C.J BRUTON / Guard / New Zealand?
Luke NEVILL/ 216cm / 24 / Centre / Melbourne Tigers
Nathan JAWAI / 204cm / 23 / Centre/Forward / Minnesota Timberwolves (US)
Mark WORTHINGTON / Forward /

+1 of these 4 remaining
Alex LOUGHTON/ 205cm / 27 / Forward / Cairns Taipans
Adam GIBSON / 188cm / 23 / Guard / Gold Coast Blaze
AJ Ogilvy / Centre / Forward / Vanderbilt University (US)
Steven MARKOVIC/ 190cm / 25 / Guard / KK Crvena Zvezda Beograd (Serbia)

[koogs]

Markovic looking slick as a set up man point guard. I thought he was just another shooter like Bruton and Mills?

I think these fellas are a lock for the squad:

Bruton, Mills
Newley, Barlow
Worthington, Ingles
Nielsen
Andersen

Possibly Maric and Jawai too. Though Nevill seems to be performing better than Jawai at the mo.

So the last four?

Maric, Jawai, Nevill, and another guard?

[rman16]

I agree with Marriard on this one. Dellavedova should get picked. He is a gun passer and has a wonderful a/t ratio in his freshman year. How is Gibson visibly better? Where the WCC might be light on for bigs, it is a league where there are many quality guards guys like Matt Bouldin for Gonzaga and he perfromed very well against teams like Richmond Villanova Vanderbilt New Mexico State in the NCAA. These teams have better guards than anything in the NBL. His defence is also quality.

I would also like Ogilvy to be in this squad.

[koogs]

Overall the Argie series had been sloppy. With the size advantage the Boomers had, their execution should have been clinical, but they weren't.

Bruton, Mills
Newley, Barlow
Worthington, Ingles
Nielsen, Andersen
Maric, Baynes

Markovic and Loughton

[onecooldude]

Brett Brown has said Patty Mills and CJ Bruton are locks. Damian Martin, Adam Gibson and Steve Markovic are fighting for the backup 2 guard spot, and Mark Worthington is strictly a 4, so something like.....

Mills/Bruton
Newley/Martin
Barlow/Ingles
Nielsen/Loughton
Maric/Andersen

[benfti]

nomisg, on 27 June 2010 - 07:07 PM, said:

PG: Patty Mills
SG: Brad Newley
SF: ?
PF: David Andersen
C : Aleks Maric


Aleks Maric is a walk up start and not sure why there is even discussion on him starting, he was amongst the best big men in Europe this year and it real work horse.

SF and SG positions will fluctuate between Ingles, Barlow, Newley, Worthington and even Shawn Redhage.

Other position are truly up for grabs and will depend on how they compliment the rest of the squad.

I think Nathan Jawai might be struggling to make this squad, we have great depth at the PF and C positions. Jawai appears to have many holes in his game, especially defensively and hence can be liability when he is on the court. Maybe I'm being harsh and maybe he just needs some more time to get back up to speed but at this stage not sure how you pick him ahead of Nevill, Nielsen, AJ Ogilvy at this stage.

how??? love them all but Nielsen, AJ and Nevill are pretzels who while all good finesse players really have almost no inside presence when a game gets willing.

this is a world champs, Maric is big but after that who is going to bang if the boomers go deep into a tournament? When you look at the overall list I honestly cant see how you could not pick Jawai. If he can step onto a court he needs to be in the side. Even the most minnow of countries like Jordan know that the boomers play a drive and dish game where the team can shoot from the arc down to the 4. Plug the lane and pressure the outside shot and you have our number, we need a guy who is gunna bang and make space to facilitate that or we will down down in flames in the first round.

For mine Jawai could be an offensive x factor as well if more sets get drawn for him, because there are not many players in the world that can cope with his size, and if the outside game breaks down we need to be able to go inside. The moment Bogut went down, for me it locked Jawai in.

Mills/Bruton/Martin
Newley/Ingles/Barlow/Worthington
Maric/Andersen/Jawai

For me thats the squad